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How Rick Murray & Lisa Axios' Business Has Evolved With Vyral

By Frank Klesitz in Client Story on Apr 23, 2021

 

 

Rick Murray & Lisa Axios have been partners in real estate ever since 2015. They make quite a team, as they are engaged with 7 children between the two of them!

After years of successful business, they started seeing their sales plateau around 50 homes sold per year. They decided they needed to do something different, and Vyral and video marketing seemed like the next natural step to take. 

They’ve seen incredible success from their videos, with many clients calling them up due to the authority they’ve established through their online presence. They are quickly getting better and better at video, and are excited to grow their team to other states as time goes on. 

[Full Transcript]

0:00 Introduction

4:46 Why did Rick & Lisa sign up for Vyral in the midst of COVID?

9:01 What is one of the personalized ways Rick & Lisa are sending out their videos? 10:41 What are some topics that they use for their videos?

16:01 How do Rick & Lisa know that video marketing is working for their business? 20:04 What's one way that they could offset their marketing costs?

23:30 How can you get better at making videos?

29:33 Closing

 

Frank Klesitz:

Hey, it's Frank. Got a cool interview for you today on a couple who are using the Vyral Marketing Plan successfully and they're getting business from it. I figured it'd be good to interview them on how they're doing that. So Rick, say hi. Lisa, say hi. I was just making sure your name is Lisa.

Rick Murray:

Hey everyone.

Frank Klesitz:

Hi. I figured your name was Lisa.

Lisa Axios:

Thank you so much, thank you Frank for having us here.

Frank Klesitz:

You guys out of Boston?

Lisa Axios:

Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Frank Klesitz:

Is that correct? All right.

Lisa Axios:

We're on the south shore of Boston.

Frank Klesitz:

At the time of this interview, the COVID restrictions are kind of loosening up, I'm starting to hopefully grow some of my hair back from actually getting a haircut. It's April 2021, but when you guys signed up, people were kind of freaking out. It was back in October, right? Tell us about your decision because you've been following us for quite some time, that you said in the writeup for many years, and thank you Rick, I appreciate that. You were like, "We need to write a check and we need some help to get a little bit more of an online presence and stay in touch with our database." And there's lots of competitors out there, there's lots of options to do it, there's lots of places you can spend your money but you decided to take the risk and the gamble with us to see if we can deliver. So take me back to that time in October when you realized you needed a solution, something like Vyral provides but you weren't sure who you were going to go with?

Rick Murray:

Lisa, you want to go or should I go?

Lisa Axios:

You should go because you've been following longer than me. I think you-

Frank Klesitz:

I think Rick was the one that he convinced you Lisa, right?

Lisa Axios:

Yeah. He was the influencer.

Rick Murray:

I've been observing Vyral for about five years prior to us signing up but what I think the decision-making tipping point for us, Frank, was we knew we wanted to incorporate video into our business more, and we knew there was so much more than shooting a selfie and sending it out. There was so much more to it.

Frank Klesitz:

How did you know that? How did you know there was more to it than that? Seriously.

Rick Murray:

Because we weren't pleased with that whole... it was just kind of boring. We wanted these videos to be edited and have branding and have some graphics, and to create a blog and have it circulated out everywhere. We knew that we weren't going to do all that back stuff. We would do the videos but there it would stop. So that's when we came to realize Vyral offered all of the stuff beyond the making the video that was exactly the answer to our problem.

Lisa Axios:

And the fact-

Frank Klesitz:

Tell me about your database... Okay, sorry Lisa, go ahead.

Lisa Axios:

No, and the fact that it goes out to our database in so many different ways. We don't have to think about it, it's exciting to know that that's a great leverage opportunity that we have and it's professional, which is not what we were doing before.

Frank Klesitz:

Yeah, you likely have a very educated audience with where you're at. Tell me, what were you doing to stay in touch with your database, your past clients, your sphere, and your leads before you got involved with us?

Rick Murray:

So, I've been doing this a long time and I was a graduate of Floyd Wickman's sweathogs.

Frank Klesitz:

Oh, great, that’s a long time.

Rick Murray:

I have old school habits that have always kind of worked for me, so we were doing the 33 touch programs, we were doing a lot of database get-togethers and parties, mailings, phone calls, doing a lot of circle dialing. Our databases, it's only about 900 strong but we actually have about 2500 email addresses, so it was exciting to know that our reach is going to be A, consistent, and B, a little more personal. We don't even have to talk about real estate but they see our face and they hear our message and we love to help building others up, so we've been interviewing a lot of our vendors recently on these videos, which has been fantastic, getting them involved.

Rick Murray:

But we just recently got some great feedback from people that said, "Hey, just come over and list me because I see your videos all the time and they're awesome." It was like they knew us personally, and that's exciting. So for us, for me that was evidence that this is working.

Frank Klesitz:

That's great. I always say that the more someone spends online with you, the easier the conversation call is to actually get the listing. So here's somebody that spent a lot of time online with you and they never met you and they picked up the phone and said, "Send me the contract," right?

Rick Murray:

Yeah, pretty much.

Frank Klesitz:

That's the holy grail, Rick. Good job. I have to ask you, you've been doing real estate a long time and been following us for five or six years. I really want to know why in October 2020 did you pull the trigger? Why October 2020, why not earlier or why not postpone it? Because clearly things were working for you, you were doing good business.

Lisa Axios:

I'd say we were stuck, and I have to-

Rick Murray:

Well, we had our best year.

Lisa Axios:

Yeah, we had a great year, but we were kind of stuck in a plateau for the past three to four years, we were kind of plateauing at about 50+ homes sold, and we knew we needed to do something different, and Rick had actually talked about Vyral for a very long time, and finally something had to change. This was, I'd say during COVID we realized people are on their tablets and on their phone more than ever, and that's where they're going to see us. We're not going to be able to get into homes like we used to, door knocking is a little bit different than it used to be, even though we still liked to do that sometimes.

Lisa Axios:

So, it just seemed like the natural thing to do, and one of the things that I really love is when I take one of the videos and send that to even a client that just had a conversation, maybe just a phone call conversation and they can see us, and they can look at the content and know that we're professional.

Frank Klesitz:

So you take the videos themselves, like the blog posts, and send out to a specific lead like an email?

Lisa Axios:

Exactly.

Rick Murray:

Yeah.

Lisa Axios:

Even my daughter.

Rick Murray:

One-on-one.

Lisa Axios:

We did one basically on mistakes buyers make, and she said, "Oh my goodness, I'm trying to buy a house, and this is so awesome." I'm like, "You could have just talked to me, you're my daughter." But she says-

Frank Klesitz:

That's not how the world works, they look at it online, don't they?

Lisa Axios:

When she saw it on the video blog, she thought it was so awesome and it was crazy, she's like, "You need to share that to everyone. If they're like me, that gave me so much information." So that was fun.

Frank Klesitz:

So, you made the decision to start doing this, Rick. It sounds like Lisa you got convinced, which is good. Tell me about some of your skepticism, Lisa? Initially like... it's a lot of money, video.

Lisa Axios:

And we throw a lot of stuff against the wall and don't follow up, we haven't done a lot of follow-through, so I didn't realize how easy this would be. So I feel like wow, it's not much that we have to do, you do all the work from behind the scenes, the things that we weren't going to do. So I think I was finally convinced that we didn't have to do much to get this done and it was completely a no-brainer.

Frank Klesitz:

There's a lot of software programs out there that do video. One I want to give a shout-out if you're watching this, go check out Loom. It's free, it's awesome. So I'm involved in some other businesses where we're following up with leads. You can do here what Lisa's doing of taking one of your videos on your blog that's kind of a standard video that you watch and send it to them. But you can also, with Loom, record a quick video, like literally a one-to-one message right inside Gmail, you hold down a button and it records a video from your webcam and it will put the video right in the email and send it out. Like a one-to-one personal message.

Frank Klesitz:

The software costs are coming down where a lot of that's available for free, but like what Rick you said, there's a little bit more to it, isn't there? You want to take it to a further level. And Lisa, it sounds like you needed that personal trainer, that human touch to just execute it and call you and follow up to make sure that you actually execute on the money that you spend because before you bought things and you didn't have that level of account management and you felt a little bit guilty for buying it, is that right?

Lisa Axios:

Absolutely.

Frank Klesitz:

Yeah, okay.

Rick Murray:

I love the fact that we have our own coach, our video coach-

Frank Klesitz:

Yeah, you have a dedicated person.

Rick Murray:

... that holds us accountable too. And we're also, we're getting better at shooting these videos now, getting more comfortable and last week when we shot our video, we also blocked off some time to send 10 30-second mini video selfie updates to our clients. Instead of leaving a text message or a voicemail or an email, they got a video from us. We did that once a week, "Hey here's our update, we got five offers," or whatever it is.

Frank Klesitz:

So, you record a video and send them a one-on-one video with their weekly update. Rick and Lisa, you're good realtors. Do you know even the realtor that I'm using, I literally just had a conversation, like I haven't heard from this person in four weeks. I would just fall over dying if I got a video update from them.

Rick Murray:

Every Tuesday.

Frank Klesitz:

Every Tuesday. I would fall over dying. You know that's the number one complaint of consumers with realtors is lack of communication.

Rick Murray:

Yeah. I learned that the hard way. My formative years as a realtor I learned that the hard way.

Frank Klesitz:

And I got to say too, if it's email there's that friction through being able to communicate with some empathy when you write, and if you just shoot that one-to-one video, it connects so much more, and you send the video via text as well, right? So there's text in the video?

Lisa Axios:

Oh yeah, by text. Yeah.

Frank Klesitz:

You guys are good realtors. Yeah, that's good. So why don't you tell the audience a little bit about some of the topics that you've published that have worked well for you? What are some of the topics that you put together that you sent out to your database that you were comfortable with that's worked well?

Rick Murray:

You know we just shot one today that's going out in 7-10 days, whenever Dan turns it around, but we've been interviewing vendors that we use a lot, and there's a gentleman in our area that runs a company called Smarter Homes. So we basically do a little questionnaire to get to know him better, how his service can help our clients, how having a smart home might add value to your home. So we videotaped him and we have to laugh because we're from Boston and we don't say smarter homes, we say smahter homes, wicked smaht. So that was a lot of fun.

Frank Klesitz:

Good, all right. Other topics.

Lisa Axios:

So the buyer-

Frank Klesitz:

The buyer one, tell us about the buyer one.

Lisa Axios:

Yeah, so it was about mistakes that buyers make, especially in this market. So I think that was really great because buyers are wondering what do you they do because their offers are rarely getting accepted. There's 25 offers and only one gets accepted. So that was kind of a great one. Rick, we've done some fun ones with vendors but also preparing your home for sale. One of the most important things, the curb appeal that people... what's really important when someone walks up to the house and let's say your doorbell doesn't work, they start to think to themselves what else doesn't work in this house? So just making sure that that first impression is really important, I think that was a great one for getting people ready for the spring market.

Rick Murray:

Last week the title was seven things to consider if you're thinking about selling your home on your own, so it was directed towards for sale by owners, and we gave them a lot of good things to think about; safety, paperwork. So there's an endless array of topics and content, it's just endless.

Frank Klesitz:

How do you find the emotional time or the temperament to slow down when you're very busy in real estate, to actually shoot a good video?

Rick Murray:

Yeah, it's legit, because you do have to have the right mindset. Me and Lisa always come from contribution and we're very grateful and very passionate about what we do. This is all we do, and we understand now the importance of it and also the authenticity, how important authenticity is. So we know that we have our coaching call on Tuesdays and we're committed to shooting two or three quality videos at least every week, and we're getting to the point where we're nailing it on the first take instead of shooting it eight times.

Rick Murray:

As long as we're ourselves and we're laughing, because we laugh a lot and we have fun, we enjoy what we do, and that can come across on the screen. Usually we know right after the first take that's it, that's a keeper, let's keep it. But it does start with your headset, your mindset.

Frank Klesitz:

How's the quality? So you're shooting these from the webcam, right? Which we recommend to keep it simple, or are you guys using a different camera? I'm not sure.

Lisa Axios:

We've been using my-

Rick Murray:

We were using the webcam.

Frank Klesitz:

Breaking up a little bit Rick. So you were using the webcam?

Rick Murray:

But now we're using Lisa's Mac.

Frank Klesitz:

Oh, so you're using the webcam on the Mac.

Lisa Axios:

Oh yes, I guess.

Frank Klesitz:

Okay, so either way you're using the webcam. So when all this comes together, Lisa, how is the quality, or Rick how is the quality from a webcam with a good microphone, good lighting. Are you happy with it?

Lisa Axios:

Oh yeah, when we show other people that... So some of the vendors that we interview, they're like whoa, that's super professional. They're shocked and we're like really?

Frank Klesitz:

You didn't have to spend a lot of money on a whole video setup, did you?

Lisa Axios:

No. And then there's graphics that are in there that are fantastic and then our personal information. I'm super excited, every time we have another one coming out I'm excited about how it comes together with little information and some graphics and it's fun.

Frank Klesitz:

Good. Any tips you can give the audience of how you shoot your videos? Because you're proud of how they look. What thought do you put into it, Rick, when you plan a video shoot so you look and sound good?

Rick Murray:

Yeah, our first videos were rather boring, we had no real video environment, it was like a white wall and so we have a new office location, and this is one of the private offices here. So the background's kind of important but honestly, just being in the right mindset to shoot a great video. We've done some outdoor videos, which I think are fantastic. But just having the right mindset, that will come across no matter where you are and the lighting doesn't seem to be a problem and the sound doesn't seem to be a problem, somehow you guys take it and return a really professional-

Frank Klesitz:

Yeah, we put a little extra oomph on it when it goes through editing.

Rick Murray:

Yeah.

Frank Klesitz:

So, you're spending this money, we're charging your card. You look at it and you're going man, is this worth it every month? How do you know?

Lisa Axios:

Well, I'd say the obvious response is that people are watching it, they're actually clicking on our website as well, because they want to know more, they want to know maybe what their home is... they're looking first here and then they can get to our website so then they can find out more about us or more about maybe listing their home or more information.

Lisa Axios:

So, it's actually, it's grabbing that information from people that we know and maybe some people we didn't even know were looking at our videos. So I think that's one thing, but also people we do work with are responding or giving us a call and saying, "That was a great video." It's been obvious that this is not something that I say, "Oh it's not worth it." No, this is worth it, I feel very excited. It's one of the things that you get some immediate response compared to maybe postcard mailing once a month every month or whatever you do. This is an easy way to see the value. I see value.

Frank Klesitz:

Thank you, Lisa.

Rick Murray:

But it didn't start out that way. We had a little bit of a slow start and mainly our fault, but we're starting to have some tangible evidence that we are being watched. But I love the metrics that are sent to us after our video blog gets sent out everywhere, we get a report of who's opened it, the click rate, the open rate. So that's tangible evidence that we are being watched. There were many times where we were like is anybody even watching these things? And you provide us with the evidence to show that they are.

Frank Klesitz:

Thanks. Are you guys sending out the direct offer emails that we write that try to drive an immediate response, lead generation type emails? Do you guys know about those?

Lisa Axios:

I don't think we're-

Rick Murray:

I think I've seen them, I know that we're not into them.

Frank Klesitz:

That's okay. Yeah. So here's the deal, you guys are sending out your two educational videos a month, but we also write a couple of direct offer emails. So your two videos a month are like your educational tips to stay in touch, where hey I'm helpful, I'm useful, I'm nice. But it's also okay to go to your database to drive response now. You can do both.

Frank Klesitz:

Every month we write for you, you don't have to do anything, a direct offer email, such as, "Go to our website to search for houses, sign up for a seller workshop, put your information in to find out what your home is worth, apply for a bridge loan with a lender so you can buy before you sell and make an all-cash offer when you compete." Follow me? "Get a list of all the ranches for sale." I don't know if there are any ranches in Boston but whatever the most popular type of home there is.

Frank Klesitz:

Oh yeah, get a list of all the off market, foreclosure, hot below market value buys that everyone wants, right? And you send out an email like that but you kind of write it where it's like look, I normally educate you on stuff but I got this thing, I got this tool, I got this offer. And you send it out and it goes right back to a landing page where people opt in and they get you leads. So make sure you talk to us about getting some of those out, which are really good.

Frank Klesitz:

Yeah, that's called our monthly direct offer emails. It's designed to spike response now from the list on top of the two educational videos. Got it?

Rick Murray:

Got it.

Frank Klesitz:

Have you thought about...? I'm sure home values have skyrocketed considerably in Boston. How much are they up just in the past, I'm going to go crazy here, but five years?

Rick Murray:

I know exactly what that is. Our average-

Rick Murray:

So, our average sale price when we teamed up was around 300,000 and it's now about 600,000, so it's virtually doubled in five years.

Frank Klesitz:

It's doubled, so you have people that are probably selling that are getting a giant check at closing.

Rick Murray:

Yeah.

Frank Klesitz:

Do you know who would love access to that check, they'd look at like a steak dinner?

Rick Murray:

A financial advisor.

Frank Klesitz:

A financial... There we go. Good job, Rick. So usually your financial advisors that are your... they get a percentage of assets under management, your Morgan Stanleys, your Merrill Lynch, if they're still around. Those types of financial advisors would love to start teaching some workshops with you on downsizing. They would love it if you brought them up at the start of some of your videos to give them a shout-out. They would love to have a call to action on your emails to say what do you do with your equity when you sell.

Frank Klesitz:

I'm involved in a network that buys apartment buildings and the number one issue when an apartment building owner sells is what do they do with the proceeds? We need to have an answer for that, whether it's a seller carryback, that's an option, right? Or they have these things called Delaware Statutory Trusts, that you put money into. But these are real concerns. And I bet you if you went to a financial advisor and say, "Hey..."

Frank Klesitz:

And remember they're not on the settlement statement so it's okay to get them as a sponsor, as an advertiser if you will, to ask them for like 275 bucks a month. Help offset some of the cost of your Vyral marketing because if you get a sponsor that pays half your fee, if you look at the numbers this is kind of sensational, you double your ROI.

Rick Murray:

Yeah.

Lisa Axios:

It's so true.

Rick Murray:

100%.

Frank Klesitz:

The easier way to double your ROI is to cut the expense in half than it is to actually add double revenue.

Rick Murray:

Yeah. We've actually talked about doing just that with several vendors, so this is not far from that.

Frank Klesitz:

Yeah, a financial advisor, especially in the high appreciating markets is a really cool option maybe who you could partner with to help you lower some of the cost. Especially if you start teaching some type of seller seminar or seller workshop and include in there what do you do with the proceeds.

Rick Murray:

Right, like a bimonthly educational series.

Frank Klesitz:

Sure, yeah. You know, one of the things you can do is when you listen to podcasts, the more successful ones, you'll press play and for the first minute it's the person talking about the sponsor of the show. It's called the pre-roll. You could do the same thing of getting a shout-out at the start of all your videos to say “Hey home prices have doubled in five years, and if you're looking at downsizing...” which is a big part of the market. I don't know if it's that organized but generally across the United States property market.

Frank Klesitz:

“If you want to know what to do with it there's lots of options and I recommend you go check out this seminar coming up, you can check out what we're doing with this financial advisor to figure out what do you do with the proceeds.” I'm sure that financial advisor would be very happy to work with you.

Rick Murray:

We'll keep that in mind, that's awesome.

Frank Klesitz:

What's that Lisa?

Lisa Axios:

They're not part of your, like you said, settlement statement.

Frank Klesitz:

Nope. So, you don't have to worry about any of that because it's just a regular old advertising agreement and the only thing, again I'm not an attorney, but if you're getting really crazy here, you just have to disclose maybe your buyer's agency agreement or in your listing agreement or even just on your website that I have paid advertisers. That's it. And we actually have some of those disclosures that we could use for you, that's all.

Lisa Axios:

That's great.

Rick Murray:

Love that.

Frank Klesitz:

Cool. So I think you'd be taking a look at a sponsorship and sending out the direct offer emails. As we wrap up the interview, is there anything, any questions that you have for me about how to get more out of Vyral or any other things that you've always wanted executed that you think could help you grow your business that I can give an answer here while we're doing this recording for the audience as well?

Rick Murray:

I think for me it would be just getting better at shooting, being more authentic, shooting better videos with really unique content. Like I love what you just said about what are you going to do with your equity. That is many of our clients right now.

Frank Klesitz:

Yeah, that's a big issue. I mean it's not an issue for you as the realtor, you're not thinking about it, but trust me they're thinking about it.

Rick Murray:

But I think it would add great value to the people watching the videos. So yeah, relevant content and shooting a better video. When I say better video, I mean us getting better.

Frank Klesitz:

I've got some advice for you to do that, and we'll wrap up the interview here with that, okay? So we have a client in New Jersey by the name of Sue Adler. Chris Watters and I, Chris Watters is a client in Austin, he sells thousands of homes a year. He wrote a book called The Million Dollar Real Estate Team that I actually helped him write, he was actually at my house, I was the ghost writer, or the ghost editor.

Rick Murray:

I have it on Audible.

Frank Klesitz:

Yeah, it's good, right? Funny story by the way, just have to say this. We're 11 hours into the audio, the interviewing I'm doing to get the book out. So I'm laying on the couch and I fall asleep as he's talking, snoring. He's like, "Frank, you're asleep." I'm like, "No I'm not." Anyways, the transcript comes back, he sends me a clip of the transcript.

Frank Klesitz:

"Frank, are you sleeping?"

Frank Klesitz:

Snores. "No."

Frank Klesitz:

"Yes, you were, you were sleeping."

Frank Klesitz:

It was funny. So whatever.

Frank Klesitz:

Yeah. Great book, but we do a show, a podcast called the Listing Lead Show, and you go to listingleadshow.com, all we do is we interview top agents on what they're doing to get listings. And the last interview we published was with Sue Adler, and about three years ago, basically she decided to step up her game on video and to really step up her game as a speaker, and speaking one to many, whether in person or on video.

Frank Klesitz:

She decided to start hosting seller workshops. So in Jersey there's all these little townships, and there's probably different sections or districts of Boston, I've never been there but I'm sure there's different niches, areas. And she started teaching how to sell your home and knowing all of your options, like when was the last time you sold your home, it's probably been 10, 20 years. And she would start teaching these hour and a half workshops.

Frank Klesitz:

She's had over 1,000 sellers come through her seller workshops, and we did a whole podcast on it. It really forced her to step up her game of creating basically an hour and a half video. But with COVID they all became on Zoom and they're better. She just sits at home and all the sellers hop on Zoom and she does her thing and then they all go talk to the agents and list. All over the city, all over the state. North Jersey, actually.

Frank Klesitz:

She had to get better at speaking but also speaking in a situation like this where you're on Zoom. So my challenge to you is yeah, you're shooting these short little videos, I think you should teach a seminar. I think you should teach a seller workshop. Sound good?

Rick Murray:

I've done them all the time.

Frank Klesitz:

Yeah. And you can do them in person, and if you did it in person, pay a video person, a video guy or gal to record you, and here's why those videos are going to be your best videos, because you're going to relax, you're going to forget you're shooting a video and your natural authentic self is going to come through after like an hour.

Frank Klesitz:

Then once you realize maybe we can do these online, actually what Sue is doing tonight that I'm working with her on, she's like, "Frank I'm teaching these seller workshops here." She's going to have her webcam, we've also got another camera over here, we've got another camera over here, and we've got a camera behind her. So she shows up for the Zoom meeting like this, turns that on, turns that on, turns that on. And when she's all done she sends us footage from camera A, footage from the Zoom meeting, footage from this camera and this camera. Then we take it all and we clip out videos for her blog so there's probably like several different individual videos for her blog but instead of just being like a Zoom video there's multiple camera angles.

Rick Murray:

Love it.

Frank Klesitz:

We started doing that yesterday and I think maybe that's something you might want to look into.

Lisa Axios:

Yeah, that sounds awesome.

Frank Klesitz:

If you want to complicate your life, there you go, I gave you an answer.

Rick Murray:

It makes you more efficient.

Frank Klesitz:

Yeah. Well, what's nice is that Sue was at the point where it's like I'm already creating all of this content, I don't want to have to go shoot another video. How can we just do a better job of recording the content I'm already doing and using that instead? And that was our solution. Sound good?

Rick Murray:

I've done them my whole career. First time home buyers, home sellers, always in person but that just makes so much sense to me, we're absolutely going to look into that.

Frank Klesitz:

Yeah, ask our staff for some of the stuff that we have on seller workshops and not just do the workshop, it's great with generating leads, but also use it as a way to get some of your blog videos from that. Sound good?

Rick Murray:

Yeah.

Frank Klesitz:

And when you teach those, you'll have more of that authentic self come through because you're not like shooting a video, it's just you talking to a group. All right?

Rick Murray:

Yeah.

Frank Klesitz:

So Lisa and Rick, thank you so much for doing this. I appreciate your time, you guys are very busy, I appreciate the interview.

Lisa Axios:

Well thank you.

Rick Murray:

Pleasure to meet you and talk with you, nice to meet you.

Frank Klesitz:

Cool, I'll let you guys go.

Rick Murray:

Awesome, have a great day. 

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